tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post3527257218425953708..comments2024-03-13T17:03:38.660-07:00Comments on Answering Catholic Claims: DIVIDING THE LAND OF ISRAELRussellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-28427040611325651162021-01-06T19:00:11.317-08:002021-01-06T19:00:11.317-08:00Hi Jesse,
I think this article was great. I reall...Hi Jesse,<br /><br />I think this article was great. I really don't find anything in it that was objectionable. Was there any specific thing in it that you had a question on?Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-55732641477318541322021-01-06T18:58:32.403-08:002021-01-06T18:58:32.403-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-19826470050795066172021-01-06T18:57:28.360-08:002021-01-06T18:57:28.360-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-42280091359172994282020-12-30T17:11:38.044-08:002020-12-30T17:11:38.044-08:00Hello Russell,
I was wondering what you thought o...Hello Russell,<br /><br />I was wondering what you thought of this article?:<br /><br />https://rationalchristiandiscernment.blogspot.com/2020/10/is-church-spiritual-israel.htmlJesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-40895752371934798272019-04-27T23:27:22.358-07:002019-04-27T23:27:22.358-07:00Hello Jesse,
I certainly disagree with this guy c...Hello Jesse,<br /><br />I certainly disagree with this guy concerning the building of the third temple. I believe that Scripture is clear that it certainly will happen. <br /> <br />In Daniel 9:27, he speaks of of antichrist causing the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. This is in the end times, long after A.D. 70, when the second temple was destroyed. So, there must indeed be a temple standing after that… in other words, a third temple. <br /> <br />Matthew 24:15 speaks of the antichrist standing in the holy place, obviously standing in the temple.<br /><br />2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 tells us that the antichrist sits “in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The guy in the video is trying to say that the “temple” actually means our bodies, or in the church. No, he certainly will not be able to sit in our bodies. And concerning his trying to show himself as God, just being in (or a member of) the church would not prove to anyone that he is God. It is referring to the presence of God in the temple (in the Holy of Holies) over the mercy seat. That is the exact earthly spot that God “dwelt” in the Old Testament.<br /><br />Revelation 11:1-2 also speaks of an altar, and a temple, and the people worshipping inside in the end times.<br /><br />Furthermore, there are some Jews today that are actively preparing to build the temple, and I understand that much of it is already prepared. They seem to just be waiting for permission or opportunity to do it, since the dome of the rock is apparently on that temple site. Personally, I believe that the antichrist will be so convincing and influencial, that he will make a deal with the Muslims to allow the Jews to build there, in return for the Muslims allowing him to rise to power. And after he is well established, he will turn against the Jews and let the Muslims do whatever they want with the Jews, i.e., attack and try to destroy them.<br /><br />But I do indeed believe that there will be a literal third temple.<br />Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-52942011556639182212019-04-13T13:34:44.866-07:002019-04-13T13:34:44.866-07:00Hey Russell,
What do you make this video on dispe...Hey Russell,<br /><br />What do you make this video on dispensationalism?:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6a2FH_NM4Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-65143718005589186652013-05-21T17:57:21.180-07:002013-05-21T17:57:21.180-07:00Sorry but it is impossible to accept Jesus as the ...Sorry but it is impossible to accept Jesus as the Messiah from a Jewish standpoint. I suggest you read these reasons why Jesus couldn't have been the Messiah:<br /><br />http://www.outreachjudaism.org/FAQ<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-7939579956381433042013-04-13T10:51:39.800-07:002013-04-13T10:51:39.800-07:00Greetings Anonymous,
Thank you for your comment a...Greetings Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment and for visiting this blog.<br /><br />Here is just one good reason (from a Jewish standpoint) to accept Jesus as the Messiah:<br /><br />http://www.khouse.org/articles/2004/552/<br />Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-31543347159000665072013-04-06T12:46:33.623-07:002013-04-06T12:46:33.623-07:00Have you ever wondered why Jews reject Jesus as th...Have you ever wondered why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah?<br /><br />Maybe this will clear things up:<br />http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-43106435119225463432013-02-14T10:53:03.540-08:002013-02-14T10:53:03.540-08:00As long as we agree that it is only through Jesus ...As long as we agree that it is only through Jesus that man is saved, then the main issue is settled. The leading problem with Protestants advocating the land of Palestine belongs to the Jews is that they see this as the Old Covenant still being valid and thus the Jews being saved without having to accept Jesus. The Protestants go so far as wanting the Temple rebuilt so that OT sacrifices can resume. This is classic/textbook Dispensationalism, and it's a heresy because it makes Christ irrelevant and unnecessary. <br /><br />Whether God wanted to bring the Jews back to that land as a sign of the end times is quite possible, but it is not the same as saying the land has always belonged to them or that God has forever promised it to them. Since we know God is ultimately in control of world events, the fact they've not been on the land for 1900 years must have significance. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-86447591172094347652013-02-13T18:40:23.259-08:002013-02-13T18:40:23.259-08:00Nick,
I agree that the destruction of Jerusalem a...Nick,<br /><br />I agree that the destruction of Jerusalem and of the temple in A.D. 70 was divine judgment on the Jews for rejecting their Messiah. I never denied this. And I’m not claiming that the Jews are innocent at every turn. There were times when, as a nation, they fell so far into sin and disobedience that God allowed other nations to usurp their land. But that still does not negate the fact that God promised that land to the Jews, and to no one else. And the fact that other nations sometimes took over the land does not negate the fact that those who divide Israel’s land will still be punished. In the eyes of God, it always has been and always will be Israel’s land. <br /><br />It was not any human that promised and gave the Jews their land in Genesis; it was no human who miraculously protected them all these centuries when many of their enemies were dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish race; and it was not “human motivations” that put them back in the land of Israel in 1948. <br /><br />As you admitted, they are indeed God’s people with a privileged status. God has miraculously reserved them as a special people throughout the centuries, and He has a magnificent plan for them. But this bound-to-fail “land for peace” activity that is happening in Israel puts everyone involved on thin ice. <br /><br />Nick, if you want to join the ranks of those who want to give away Israel’s land, then go right ahead. But you’ll have no right to complain when our nation is judged for this.<br />Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-87719928122307817522013-02-11T12:14:31.977-08:002013-02-11T12:14:31.977-08:00The destruction of the Temple and flattening of Je...The destruction of the Temple and flattening of Jerusalem was God's divine judgment on them, and why Christ warned about this at the end of the Gospel accounts. If you deny that, then you basically affirm a bi-covenentalism and have a lot to explain as to why that even happened. <br /><br />As for their claim to the land today, that's something that's open to speculation. Did they truly receive the land back per God's intentions, or was this purely driven by human motivations? Does this somehow signal we're in the end times? Possibly. <br />But the idea that they've always held the land rights is untenable from the evidence provided in the NT, the historical events of 70AD, and the Church Fathers and Jerusalem Patriarchate. The Jews are still 'Gods People' in the sense they hold a priveldged status, but this is not a covenantal/soteric status. They will enter the New Covenant in some manner at the end of time, but now we're in the Gentile age where God's favor is upon the Gentiles for now (Cf Romans 9,10,11). <br /><br />The fact the Jews were already kicked off the land with Babylon shows that this land was not some unconditional "always yours" type covenant. God delivered on everything, and it was to remain theirs as long as they stayed faithful: "9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come." This command of circumcision (17:13) is clearly in the same context. This is why Acts 15 was so revolutionary. <br /><br />Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-8541493161340800752013-02-10T12:05:32.201-08:002013-02-10T12:05:32.201-08:00Hello Nick,
You said that my thesis suggests that...Hello Nick,<br /><br />You said that my thesis suggests that God has failed, because ever since Jerusalem was destroyed in A.D. 70, Israel was not in their land for 1900 years. You seem to be suggesting that the land wasn’t theirs during all this time, because Israel would be required to BE IN the land for it to be theirs.<br /><br />But if it is necessary to actually live in the land before it can be considered rightfully theirs, then wouldn’t it be rightfully theirs TODAY (since they are in it)? And if it is rightfully theirs, then why should they divide their land and give it to an enemy who will use it against them?<br /><br />But the point is that it was God Himself who gave this land to these descendants of Abraham back in Genesis, and from that point on, it was ALWAYS rightfully their land, whether they actually lived in it or not.<br /><br />You said:<br /><br />“The texts that speak of the promises being ‘eternal’ are not to be understood as literally eternal, but rather for a long time…”<br /><br />Says who? No disrespect intended, Nick, but why should we believe YOUR spin on the interpretation of these seemingly plain and straightforward verses, when 1) we see nothing in the contexts to suggest that God did NOT really mean “forever” or “everlasting,” 2) we see evidence of Israel’s RESTORATION in other passages (e.g., Romans 9-11), thus showing God’s continuous and eternal plan for them, and 3) even if you could prove that the term “eternal” only means “a long time” in this particular case, this wouldn’t nullify the fact that those nations participating in the end time Armageddon scenario (Joel 3:2) are still PUNISHED for parting the land of Israel. The truth is that God has always kept this land for Israel, and it will always be theirs.<br /><br />By the way, your example of circumcision is weak, at best. Physical circumcision is the SIGN of the covenant (Genesis 17:11), not the covenant itself. And it is the COVENANT and the POSSESSION OF THE LAND that is everlasting (17:7-8), not the sign. <br /><br />You said:<br /><br />“Rejecting the Messiah is no small beans, and God will not bless anyone who rejects His Son.”<br /><br />That’s true, but we see the eventual restoration of Israel, where they WILL INDEED accept Him as Messiah, after the “fullness of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:25) has come. Again, God is definitely not through with the nation of Israel. And Christians have no business pressing Israel to divide their God-ordained land in exchange for “peace.” Those who do are helping to usher in the antichrist, not helping Israel.<br />Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823479491839694646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730083483661000120.post-64974446762453845402013-02-07T10:08:50.833-08:002013-02-07T10:08:50.833-08:00This post unfortunately reflects the error of Disp...This post unfortunately reflects the error of Dispensationalism. It is erroneous both in the Biblical data and in the historical data. <br /><br />For example, Jesus made a prophecy that the Temple and Jerusalem would be flattened in 70AD, and that's precisely what happened. For approximately 1900 years, there was no Israel and Palestine was mostly Christian and Muslim that whole time. Given this, your whole thesis would suggest God has indeed failed to keep His promises for 1900 years. But Catholics and most non-American Protestants have never been Dispensationalist, so we've always seen the Divine Judgment of 70AD to be pretty definitive. The texts that speak of the promises being "eternal" are not to be understood as literally eternal, but rather for a long time, which is why even though circumcision was said to be eternal the council in Acts 15 deemed it was not. God delivered on all his promises, the problem is that after repeated disobedience God also promised punishments. Rejecting the Messiah is no small beans, and God will not bless anyone who rejects His Son. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.com