According to Paragraph 795 of
the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church (Second Edition – Revised in
Accordance with the Official Latin Text):
(Start Quote)
“Christ and his Church thus together make up the
“whole Christ” (Christus totus). The
Church is one with Christ. The saints
are acutely aware of this unity:
‘Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but
Christ himself. Do you understand
and grasp, brethren, God’s grace toward us?
Marvel and rejoice: we have
become Christ. For if he is the
head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man… The fullness of Christ then is the head and
the members. But what does “head and
members” mean? Christ and the
Church. [Quoting Augustine]
Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with
the holy Church whom he has taken to himself. [Quoting Pope Gregory I (“the Great”)]
Head and members form as it were one and the same
mystical person. [Quoting Thomas
Aquinas]
A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the
faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: “About Jesus
Christ and the Church, I simply know they’re just one thing, and we shouldn’t
complicate the matter”.”
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(CCC #795 – emphasis in bold
added)
What?!!! We (Christians) have BECOME CHRIST? Are they
really saying this? Isn’t this
blasphemy? Why would the Catholic Church
teach something like this?
Ok, perhaps they meant
something else, or maybe we’re just not fully understanding their words. So let’s give them the benefit of the doubt
for a moment. Maybe we should let them
explain what they really mean. But in
doing research on this, their answers are far from satisfactory. When Protestants express concern over CCC #795, the Catholic answers to this
seem to fall into three basic categories:
1) They try to tell us that we are taking this “out of
context.”
This whole context of Paragraph
#795 deals with a special unity between Christ and His church. But the language of “becoming” Christ doesn’t
match the context. There is a world of difference between being in union with Him, and BEING HIM. So, the Catechism is violating its own context at this point.
2) Some will say that we don’t really become Christ, but
it’s only emphasizing our special union with Jesus, where we are conformed into
the image and likeness of God’s Son, since He is the Head and we are members of
His body, together making the whole man, or the “whole Christ.” They’ll say that the church is “one with
Christ,” creating “one organism,” just as husband and wife are made “one flesh,”
etc, etc. So, it’s only about the union.
We all agree that we (Christians)
are in a special union with Christ, but notice that the Catechism is going out of its way to point out a CONTRAST: It says “… we have become not only Christians, but Christ
Himself.” It is telling us that we are
not only members of the body of Christ, but something more, something different
than mere members of the body, apparently something greater. And then it reinforces that by again saying, “… we have become Christ.” So, Catholics can’t claim that this is only about
our union with Him.
If all that this controversial Catechism statement means is that we
are in union with Jesus, then the Catholic Church is only being redundant
(repetitive) here. It is like saying,
“we have become not only members of the body of Christ, but something even
greater… we have also become members of the body of Christ!” This makes no sense. Using this argument, they are building up to
a supposed contrast, yet, there is
none. This “union only” argument simply
renders the Catechism quote meaningless.
Yes folks, this is just another example of Catholic word games.
3) Some will say that this “becoming Christ” is simply a great
“mystery” that we can’t understand.
Then, if that’s the case,
there is no limit to the “mysteries” we can use. Anyone can teach almost anything and declare
it to be a “great mystery.” Then, they can
tell outsiders that no one can understand this, but they must accept it, since their
church says it is so. This could get
quickly out of hand. Simply calling it a
“mystery” doesn’t make it true, especially since it flies in the face of
Scripture.
And what is this “whole
Christ” business? According to
Augustine’s quote above, we need Christ AND the church to have the “fullness of
Christ.” But is Christ somehow
“incomplete” without us? Or, in some way dependent
on the church? Absolutely not. He can exist without the church, but the
church cannot exist without Him. He does
not “need” the church, or anything else, for that matter (Colossians 2:9-10). Jesus Christ has existed from eternity past
and will continue to exist for eternity future (John 1:1-2; Revelation 1:8). The only reason that the church is even involved at all is because of His grace and His choice to include Christians
in His plan. It is certainly not
because of any need on His part. But it
almost seems that the Catholic Church wants to make it sound as though the church
is somehow equal with Him here.
Concerning Joan of Arc’s
quote above, it is truly interesting that the Catholic Church (the masters of complicating simple spiritual
concepts) is telling us to just believe them and not to complicate things?!!!
It is hard to take them seriously when they say things like this.
Conclusion
As we mentioned before, we
all know that there’s a special bond between Christ and His church. We’re not denying that, but Scripture never
suggests that we can ever “become Christ” – that idea is totally foreign to
God’s Word. You can use all the “union
with Christ” verses in the Bible that you want, but these verses do not support #795 in the Catechism. We are not
Christ, either individually or corporately.
So, once again, why would the
Catholic Church say that we have become Christ?
They don’t officially believe in more than one true God, or more than
one true Christ, do they? This is a very
controversial statement, one that stands out like a sore thumb, yet the
Catholic Catechism doesn’t seem to be trying to explain it. After all, isn’t the purpose of a catechism
to explain the faith? It’s almost as if the Catholic Church is
purposefully leaving us hanging there, without any real attempt to
clarify. The silence is deafening.
Is this “becoming Christ” idea
possibly part of the end-time one-world religious system? We suspect that this quote from the Catechism
may likely be used to further the Ecumenical Movement, where all faiths will
come together. Perhaps the Catholic
Church is saying this to be “inclusive” of evolutionists, New Agers, Eastern
mysticists, and members of other world religions (that is, those who might see themselves as their own “christ” or
“god”). Time will tell.
And why do we see so few objections coming from Catholics
about this? It appears that either they
are not aware of these strange comments from the Catechism, or they are simply
being faithful to “Mother Church,” no matter what kind of outrageous (and
unbiblical) ideas she teaches.
The three points that we
listed above appear to be the most common arguments for including CCC #795. The only other
option seems to be that we actually
become Christ in an absolute sense,
but this is outright heresy.
At any rate, the Catholic
Catechism is wrong. Jesus Christ is
indeed the Head of the church. But in
saying that we (Christians) “become Christ,” do we now also become the Head? Certainly not! We can’t even always function properly as lesser members of the body (1
Corinthians 12:14-24), much less function as the Head! We are part of the body, but not THAT part!
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ReplyDeleteHello Jessie,
ReplyDeleteYes, I am well aware of CCC #460 and that “we might become God.” Equally disturbing. I actually had it in the article at first, but decided against including it because one of the arguments was that #460 was a “mistranslation,” and should have read “gods.” So I would have had to take a whole different angle on the article, so I decided against using it.
But yes, this is really sad. And the fact is that many poor Catholics will be duped by this. We need to pray that they will respect Scripture enough to test everything against it (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Once again, Scripture is the unfailing standard.
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ReplyDeleteHi Jessie,
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely correct!
Not only excuses, but enmity toward the Word of God. For a church who claims to be "biblical" and the “one true church,” it boggles my mind how they will do almost anything to resist many of the simple truths of the Bible at every turn. THAT, my friend, is a true mystery!
UNLESS… they have an agenda and are indeed a main player in the end-time, one-world antichrist religion that is coming about (Revelation chap. 13, 17 and 18). Personally, I believe that this is the only way all this makes sense. It all seems to be falling into place. The Bible has been right all along. God is not saying, “Hey, you Protestants need to ‘cross the Tiber’ and join the Catholic Church like many others have done.” No, but He DOES say, “Come out of her, my people, that you do not partake of her sins, nor receive of her plagues!” (Revelation 18:4) There are others besides the Catholic Church involved in this ungodly one-world, one-religion system, but SHE is the one who is spearheading it. We need to keep praying for Catholics, that God would open their eyes before it’s too late.
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DeleteSorry but I think you didn't really understand what Saint Augustine meant or that you read CCC 795 in full context. I think you should read that part in its entiretly:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_one/section_two/chapter_three/article_9/paragraph_2_the_church_-_people_of_god,_body_of_christ,_temple_of_the_holy_spirit.html#$11R
Word Christian by definition means follower of Jesus Christ. That's how they were called by non believers in Antioch (Acts 11:26), I don't know where you get that Christians mean members of body of Christ.
"Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself"
When Saint Augustine speaks of Christians being Christ himself he means followers of Jesus Christ become part of his body. He literally explains it in same quote what he meant
For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man… The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does “head and members” mean? Christ and the Church.
If we go by your definition what Christian means then why did Jesus refered to believers who Paul was persecuting as himself:
Acts 9:5
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied
Did Christ say to Paul that Christians were literally him? Of course not. But if we go by your logic then Scriptures do teach that we become Christ literally.
But that is blasphemy if we compare Acts 9 with rest of the Bible we know that Jesus Christ meant that Christians are part of his body.
It is only controversial statement if you don't understand what is being said in catechism or what it means to be part of body of Christ.
Marko
Hello Marko,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments.
Ok, I went back and read the link you posted, but it does absolutely nothing to change what I said in the article above.
I agree with you that the word “Christian” means follower of Jesus Christ, but I don’t understand why you don’t think that it also means being a “member of the body of Christ.” They are the same thing. Maybe, I am misunderstanding you, and if that is the case, please let me know.
You said:
“When Saint Augustine speaks of Christians being Christ himself he means followers of Jesus Christ become part of his body.”
Ok, but I think that this is poorly stated (no matter WHO said it). I agree that we are part of Jesus’ body, but that CANNOT biblically mean that we “are Christ Himself.” There is far too much room for misunderstanding and confusion in saying this. Too many people will take it the wrong way. Scripture NEVER says that “we are Christ,” and for good reason. I’m sorry, but Augustine is not in line with Scripture here!
This “whole man” concept is also unbiblical, because it conflates our identities. Jesus is the Head of the church and we are the body/members of the church. That in no way makes us equal to Him, whether in name or substance. The divine Second Member of the Trinity (Jesus) can never be reduced to (or conflated with) the members of His body. Yes, we are indeed “associated” with Him, “intimately united” with Him, and you can even say that we are “one with Him” in the sense of having an obedient relationship with Him, BUT WE ARE NOT CHRIST! This wording is extremely misleading.
Marko, please also help me understand how my saying that Christians are both 1) followers of Christ and also 2) members of the body of Christ… how does that go against Acts 9:5? And what is wrong with saying that Christians are members of the body of Christ?
Looking forward to your response.
Hello Russell
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Christian and member of body of Christ are seperate things either but very first definition of Christian means follower of Christ or person who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ (maybe I didn't explain myself properly).
I think that is very first definition most people will think of when they hear word Christian.
The way you wrote your article it makes me think you only have one definition of Christian and that is memeber of body of Christ.
I don't believe that people who read all paragraphs before and after CCC 795 are going believe that the Church and Augustine teach that you become Christ literally unless you take it out of context from the rest of the Catechism.
If you have problem the way Augustine said it then why don't you have problem with with Acts 9:5?
If Jeus didn't want people to think that we literally become him why didn't he say to Paul "I am Jesus Christ, the God of the people who you are persecuting" or "you are persecuting my body of believers" or something similar.
Don't you think people are going to misunderstand that and teach that we become Christ from Bible passage especially since no where in verses before or after explains what Jesus meant.
Marko
Hello again Marko,
ReplyDeleteThanks for trying to clear up any misunderstandings.
You said:
“The way you wrote your article it makes me think you only have one definition of Christian and that is memeber of body of Christ.”
But I think that being a Christian could be described in a number of ways, including those two that we talked about. But, for the record, let’s just use your definition, “follower of Christ,” just to keep things simple. What Jesus meant was that Saul/Paul was indeed persecuting Jesus’ followers, but this was just as though Saul would have been persecuting Jesus, Himself, just not literally.
Marko, remember when Jesus told the seventy, “He that hears you, hears Me” (Luke 10:16)? He said this because the seventy were His ambassadors, or ministers, and they were expected to faithfully share the words of Jesus. So, it is very similar to Acts 9:5.
In Luke 10:16, hearing the faithful ministers preach the gospel was just like hearing Jesus speaking, even if it wasn’t literally. In Acts 9:5, persecuting Jesus’ followers was just like persecuting Jesus Himself, just not literally.
It is like a father telling someone, “If you have a problem with my son, you have a problem with ME!” It was never meant to be literal.
Marko, I hope this helps you to see where I’m coming from and we can get to Augustine in the next round.
Yeah exactly
DeleteI agree with you on that Jesus wasn't being literal in these verses.
Only if you get them out of context can you interpert Christ's words as literal.
I also wanted to include other exemples but I didn't remeber where they were in the Bible.
So what makes you think people are going to misinterpert Augustine quote literally?
To me it is clear when he says:
we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself.
He means followers become part of his body.
Especially since he explains what he means in rest of the quote:
Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God’s grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man… The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does “head and members” mean? Christ and the Church.
Marko
Your "Jesus" is just a bread wafer that has no ability to do anything for itself.
DeleteHello Marko,
DeleteOk, so we both agree that Augustine’s words were not meant to be literal, just as Jesus’ words (Luke 10:16 and Acts 9:5) were not meant to be literal.
Maybe Augustine’s intentions were right, but I still think that his words should have been chosen more carefully, since they can be too easily misunderstood, or misinterpreted in a wrong and idolatrous way. Marko, there are already many, many people in this world (past and present) who believe(d) that they are, were, or can be, God/gods/Christs/Messiahs. It is a sad truth, but very possible, that Augustine’s words might very well encourage these types of people to stay in their error.
Ok I do agree with that.
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