There are
some deep rumblings of unrest within the Catholic Church, even in its higher
levels. A recent conference at the
Vatican is causing a stir. Some
Catholics see this meeting as a bad sign.
The public
was recently informed about the Fifth International Vatican Conference that was
held at the Vatican on May 6-8, 2021, and it was titled “Exploring the Mind, Body and Soul.
Unite to Prevent and Unite to Cure.
A Global Health Care Initiative: How Innovation and Novel Delivery
Systems Improve Human Health.”
And there
was certainly an interesting and controversial lineup of speakers for this
meeting.
Catholic
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano put out a declaration on April 21, 2021, before
the meeting occurred. Vigano was
obviously not impressed with the theme of the meeting or the speakers, and he had some very strong statements about this
conference.
The Lineup
He noted
that the lineup of speakers included “the infamous Anthony Fauci, whose scandalous
conflicts of interest did not prevent him from taking over the management of
the pandemic in the United States.” Also
speaking would be Chelsea Clinton (daughter of Bill and Hillary Clinton), whom
Vigano claims to be “a follower of the Church of Satan and a staunch abortion
advocate.” New Age guru Deepak Chopra
was also scheduled, along with extremist environmentalist Jane Goodall, the
CEO’s of Pfizer and Moderna (COVID 19 vaccine producers), and some Big Tech
representatives, as well as a number of left-wing media persons, and others – over
100 speakers in all.
Vigano Speaks Out
But again,
Archbishop Vigano was certainly not happy with this cast of characters. He apparently has a hard time understanding
how the pope could bring together such a group into the Vatican.
He lashes
out at the current Catholic hierarchy and he states:
“This
conference… is the umpteenth scandalous confirmation of a disturbing departure
of the current Hierarchy, and, in particular, its highest Roman members, from
Catholic Orthodoxy. The Holy See has
deliberately renounced the supernatural mission of the Church, making itself
the servant of the New World Order and Masonic globalism in an antichristic
counter-magisterium.”
Wow! That’s quite an indictment against his own
church. Again, he comes out swinging:
“The result
is the superimposition over the true Church of a sect of heretical and depraved
modernists who are intent on legitimizing adultery, sodomy, abortion,
euthanasia, idolatry and any perversion of the intellect and will. The true Church is now eclipsed, denied and
discredited by her very pastors, betrayed even by the one who occupies the
highest throne [i.e., the pope].”
The COVID Connection
Vigano is
also disgusted with the image this conference was using to promote their
cause. Concerning the focus of the
conference on the COVID issue, Vigano stated:
“Even the image chosen to promote the
conference is extremely eloquent: a close-up of Michelangelo’s fresco of
creation on the Sistine Chapel ceiling, in which the hand of God the Father
reaches out towards the hand of Adam, but with both hands covered by disposable
surgical gloves, recalling the regulations of the new ‘health liturgy’ and
implying that even the Lord Himself might spread the virus.”
Vigano calls
the image “blasphemous,” and rightly so.
According to Vigano, “… the COVID religion proposes the vaccine… as the
only means of salvation.”
Many, many
people don’t trust the vaccine and simply do not want it. Speaking
personally, I find it very interesting how the far left is pushing this “cure”
so hard. There is something strange
about all this. Some companies are
offering small gifts as incentives to take the shot. But I’ve even heard of one company that is
offering a chance to win a million
dollars if they get vaccinated! Why
do the people need to be bribed to get
such a “great cure”? Isn’t this a bit
suspicious? There must be a reason for
such an incredible push to take this vaccine even though there is a 99.98, or
so, percent chance of survival without it.
Furthermore, we don’t know the lasting effects of this medicine. Mark my word, something sinister is going on
behind the push for this vaccine.
For Money?
Vigano continues
his critique:
“One wonders
if Bergoglio’s [Pope Francis’] zeal for the dissemination of the gene serum is
not also motivated by base economic reasons, as compensation for the losses
suffered by the Vatican and the dioceses following the lockdown and the
collapse of attendance by the faithful…”
In other
words, according to Vigano, one reason the pope may be taking advantage of this
opportunity in joining this globalist agenda is to recover from the recent
church attendance slump where the money just wasn’t coming in as usual. Time will tell.
She Said What?
The archbishop
continues his criticism of this group and he states:
“At La
Salette, Our Lady [Mary] warned us: ‘Rome will lose the faith and become the
seat of the antichrist.’”
Lose the
faith? Become the seat of the
antichrist?!!! Wow! This is heavy stuff, coming from a Catholic
source! And it actually lines up with
biblical eschatology (end-time events)!
Pope Francis
has been a very controversial pope, and many Catholics are not comfortable with
his reign. And people like Archbishop
Vigano are making their voices heard.
See here:
The Danger of Apostasy
Vigano also calls
for “… a firm and courageous denunciation of this apostasy and its authors.”
Well, sorry,
Archbishop Vigano, but the church of Rome has fallen into apostasy long, long
ago. The early church of Rome was
actually spiritually healthy during the period of their great persecution. But I believe that the church got into trouble
in the early 300’s, ironically, when Emperor Constantine and his successors
stopped the persecution and allowed (and encouraged) the church to merge with
paganism. Some scholars see the typology
of this particular early church “marrying” the world at this point. In fact, the word “Pergamos” (Revelation
2:12) in Greek means “married to the tower,” with the tower symbolizing
power (and the world, in general). So, in
Revelation, Jesus Christ rebukes that particular church (in the city of
Pergamos – Revelation 2:14-16) which had metaphorically “married the world”
and entangled with paganism. Many
churches today are guilty of the same thing.
This
archbishop (to his credit) can sense the trouble brewing concerning Pope
Francis, but I truly wish he could also discern the truth concerning the many official teachings of his church that
are false. Hopefully, all this uproar
will cause Catholics to pause and question the leanings of their ecumenical
leadership and their church’s fearful destiny (Revelation 18) in the end
times. I pray to God that many Catholics
see this and turn to the Bible and its true
gospel.
Conclusion
The Roman
Catholic Church never was the one
true church – but not because of pedophilia, sodomy, homosexuality, rape,
cover-ups or any other scandal -these were just symptoms of the real problem, which is that they rejected
several key biblical principles, but mainly, they have shunned the gospel of
grace, which is salvation apart from the merit of works. And that deviation from such an important doctrine
has caused a slippery slope into apostasy.
But Catholics
may respond by saying, “The Catholic Church is not the only church experiencing scandals, greed, ungodly leadership, etc.
- Protestants can and do sometimes have the same issues.” That’s true, but they do it because they,
too, deny key biblical principles. They
have that in common with Catholics, and they will not escape condemnation just
because they are Protestants.
Moving away
from such biblical principles is always the first step toward the downfall of
any church group that claims to be Christian, be it Catholic, Protestant, or
otherwise (Isaiah 8:20; Hebrews 4:14).
Will the
Church of Rome lose the faith, as Archbishop Vigano suggests? Indeed, it already has, and tragically, it
will bring many down with it.
Don’t just blindly trust these (or any)
leaders. Measure everything they say and
do by the Scriptures (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Dear friend, this article of yours should be reported for fake news about the terrible syndemy of the new coronavirus. Syndemic, because the virus is political, it arose in the Chinese city of Wuhan that invaded the forest in China, so the presence of an ecologist at this meeting at the Vatican is essential, although the ecologism coming from the left-wing has its problems.
ReplyDeleteAfter God through faith in His Holy Roman Catholic Church, the salvation of humanity will come through universal and mass vaccination or also by an efficient remedy that combats Covid-19.
And Rome just lost faith from the 1960s to our days, because it became more like you excommunicated Protestant heretics, because we adopted your dead faith, faith without works and with it the denial of the sacraments and the need for the Catholic priesthood as an indispensable means of salvation, because ordinarily only the priest can forgive sins.
Hi Russell, I enjoy this blog, as I am a Protestant who was tempted by Catholicism (its beautiful churches, traditions, seeming historicity for its origins, etc.), but never could get past the obvious Marian idolatry. When I actually stopped to investigate some of the church doctrines, I was horrified at the sheer idolatry (e.g., bread worship) and utter disconnectedness from the simple faith established in the first century.
ReplyDeleteAs you are more familiar with the various teachings of the church, do you have a good list of the church's heresies, or at least the major ones? Eucharist as a re-sacrifice, eucharistic adoration and Marian idolatry seem to be chief, but I am curious what else is there.
Thanks!
Hello Nuke 1776,
DeleteThank you for your kind words and for your brief testimony of your leaning toward Catholicism. I truly thank God that you saw the truth! Thank you for sharing that.
As far as the various false teachings that the Catholic Church embraces, there are a ton of them. I would suggest that you look through this blog and you will find many, many issues with the Catholic Church. Just type in the search bar at the top left of the blog – any issue that you may have questions about, and you will probably see that it’s been dealt with.
Just a short list would include key doctrines like a works-based salvation, the Eucharist, a misunderstanding of baptism, “Sacred Tradition” over Scripture, apostolic succession, the Ecumenical Movement, the Marian doctrines, statues and images, the papacy, the priesthood, interpreting Scripture, Purgatory, praying to saints, the rosary, calling the priest “Father,” etc., etc.
And this does not even include the pedophilia scandals, and such corruption.
Anyway, Nuke, hope this helps, and thanks again for writing. God bless!
Russell, my dearest friend, open your eyes wide, Samuel Câmara, presiding pastor of an Assembly Possessed by a Thousand Demons that charlatans and innocent fanatics call the Assembly of God, such a man, Câmara, is the typical Protestant. He prides himself on being able to decipher individually, freely and subjectively like a new Delphic oracle the meaning of the Holy Bible and thus not accepting the true faith which is the divine and Roman Catholic founds his own commerce and as Satan he sees his own commerce grew a lot, he finally took off the mask that hides all Protestants and was accused a few years ago of money laundering and currency evasion.
ReplyDeleteHey Russell,
ReplyDeleteI was wondering what you thought of this article?:
https://rationalchristiandiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/04/water-baptism-according-to-bible.html
Hey Jesse,
DeleteLong time no "see." Good to hear from you!
I will certainly look at your article and back to you and let you know what I think.
Thanks again for your diligence.
Hello Jesse,
DeleteI read your article you linked to above. Very well said!
You made some excellent (and really important) points. kudos. Keep up the good work!
João Emiliano Martins Neto,
ReplyDeleteYour pope has been catering to a host of progressive left ideas, including the abomination of homosexuality (1 Cor. 6:9-11; 1 Tim. 1:9-11).
The convoluted sacramental system of justification taught by Rome is breeding grounds for a sense of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14).
It is dishonest and unfair for you to paint with a broad brush all Protestant groups as being on the level of some fringe Pentecostals.
You also have to "freely" and "subjectively" decipher the messages delivered by the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
Jesse, modern men like you, alongside the liberals and the communists, you cling to subjectivism as if the truth about the world, which in the end is actually God, was not a presence, just as when, as we say here In Brazil, in a proverbial way, if we are in the rain is to get us wet, because the water present among us is evidently tending to wet us.
DeleteFor you modern men everything is a matter of man alone, emancipated from God and the Holy Roman Catholic Church, emancipated at last from the very presence of something called the world, so that man by himself may put all things in order. Man alone interprets the Holy Bible and man alone interprets what is the truth of the world without going through God, without going through the Catholic Church, without going through any objective criterion, in fact, realistic, that is, , the world itself that is always there and that sooner or later will ask us to account for what the world is. But, but only through the subjective criterion, in short, arbitration, the totalitarianism of immanentist radical humanism and the dictatorship of relativism and opinion.
Hey John, thanks for all your straw-men. The argument that I have presented seems to have been misunderstood by you, but I will state it in different terms. You have to use your own brain to make sense of every message delivered to you by your own church leaders. You have to fallibly interpret every so-called infallible teaching. That is done by none other than yourself, which is a subjective element. You have to interpret every communicated message that you encounter in your daily life.
DeleteIt is you, in your own state of ignorance, who argues in radical and nonsensical terms. You behave like the kind of individual who has been brainwashed into a cult and lives in his own world colored by those cultish presuppositions. Perhaps that explains why you can't interact with what has been said to you. If something I say is true, then it follows that statement is true for all people, at all places, and at all times. My thinking is not in any way, shape, or form comparable to that of a liberal or a communist, FOOL.
I find it ironic that you do not take into account the fact that your "mother church" has succumbed to liberalism. The vast majority of Roman Catholic scholars do not even believe in inerrancy anymore. They even claim that Genesis is myth and have asserted that parts of the Bible are in error. Don't give me your pious claptrap. Rome has not even infallibly interpreted ten verses in the entire Bible.
Hey John, thanks for all your straw-men. The argument that I have presented seems to have been misunderstood by you, but I will state it in different terms. You have to use your own brain to make sense of every message delivered to you by your own church leaders. You have to fallibly interpret every so-called infallible teaching. That is done by none other than yourself, which is a subjective element. You have to interpret every communicated message that you encounter in your daily life.
DeleteJesse, if the fallible interpretation of every Catholic brain depended on the absolute truth and true wisdom that is Rome, the teacher of truth and wisdom, the Holy Catholic Church would end up like you Protestants who from the first moment began to divide into the types of sects the most pitiful like the Adamites who wanted to walk naked as in the time of the original innocence of Eden.
It is you, in your own state of ignorance, who argues in radical and nonsensical terms. You behave like the kind of individual who has been brainwashed into a cult and lives in his own world colored by those cultish presuppositions. Perhaps that explains why you can't interact with what has been said to you. If something I say is true, then it follows that statement is true for all people, at all places, and at all times. My thinking is not in any way, shape, or form comparable to that of a liberal or a communist, FOOL.
Jesse, your thought like all typical revolutionary thinking of modernity devours its sons, brothers or veteran comrades of the revolution, that's why you don't recognize yourself in your younger brothers, the liberals and the communists, and today neither the left nor the liberals want to know more from you Protestants, when they are tributary to you as the first modern men who emancipated themselves from the Catholic Church, called Jesus Christ, without realizing it, a false prophet, for the gates of hell would have prevailed against the Catholic Church, and thus the emancipation from God, the getting rid of God, finally took place in the liberals in a more attenuated and explicit form in the communists. But, I'm repeating myself, because you don't want to know the truth, that's why you can't hear it, because it's only worth what Jim Jones says of your sect.
I find it ironic that you do not take into account the fact that your "mother church" has succumbed to liberalism. The vast majority of Roman Catholic scholars do not even believe in inerrancy anymore. They even claim that Genesis is myth and have asserted that parts of the Bible are in error. Don't give me your pious claptrap. Rome has not even infallibly interpreted ten verses in the entire Bible.
The current modernist, liberal and apostate, ecumenical, ecumenical Catholic Church is mistakenly the Church for you Protestants, but your Protestant fundamentalist fanaticism does not understand, Protestant fundamentalist fanaticism that has no universal reach, but only applies to your sect normally hysterical Pentecostal, because the next Protestant sect around the corner, if it's Presbyterian (sometimes an apostate liberal sect), for example, will not accept Pentecostal opinion.
"Jesse, if the fallible interpretation of every Catholic brain depended on the absolute truth and true wisdom that is Rome, the teacher of truth and wisdom, the Holy Catholic Church would end up like you Protestants who from the first moment began to divide into the types of sects the most pitiful like the Adamites who wanted to walk naked as in the time of the original innocence of Eden."
DeleteThere exists an element of irony here. The Catholic "solution" is one more form of subjectivism: the pope. The Protestant solution, the Scriptures, is an object of truth outside of us. The difference is between subject and object, not better subjects (that somehow are not really subjects after all).
"Jesse, your thought like all typical revolutionary thinking of modernity devours its sons, brothers or veteran comrades of the revolution, that's why you don't recognize yourself in your younger brothers, the liberals and the communists, and today neither the left nor the liberals want to know more from you Protestants..."
There is, once again, an element of irony in your comments. You go to great lengths to describe me as radical, fanatical, and hysterical, yet your own comments fit that description precisely. You ascribe categories to me that I don't hold. You associate me with ideologies I condemn. That is reason enough to not take you seriously.
"But, I'm repeating myself, because you don't want to know the truth, that's why you can't hear it, because it's only worth what Jim Jones says of your sect."
You repeat yourself because you are a braying jackass. What you lack is civility and common sense. Let it be said that you would make for an exceptionally bad philosopher.
"The current modernist, liberal and apostate, ecumenical, ecumenical Catholic Church is mistakenly the Church for you Protestants, but your Protestant fundamentalist fanaticism does not understand..."
The hierarchy does not share your assessment. So shut your pie hole and stop being such a crybaby. You condemn sectarianism but are part of a sect yourself.
"Your pope has been catering to a host of progressive left ideas, including the abomination of homosexuality (1 Cor. 6:9-11; 1 Tim. 1:9-11)."
ReplyDeleteIn fact, what the Holy Father defended is something that since the time of the Holy Father Saint John Paul II, since 1986, has been defended as a civil coexistence law to protect homosexuals, an anti-homophobia law in civil society and not a law of civil union between people of the same sex that is the gay marriage condemned by the Holy Father Francisco himself in his encyclical Amoris Laetitia.
"The convoluted sacramental system of justification taught by Rome is breeding grounds for a sense of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14)."
Go complain to Jesus Christ, which Protestant heretic people like you call a false prophet and a liar, because people like you believe that the gates of hell have prevailed against his Church, which is the Roman Catholic Church, so you need to join some directed sect by some psychopath like Samuel Câmara. But, go complain to Christ, for He at the end of the Sermon on the Mount said that whoever kept the commandments He commanded in such a sermon that such a person would be like the man who built the house on the rock as opposed to the Protestant heretic who adopts the sola fide and that is why he does not want to keep the commandments, he will end up with the house built on the sand destroyed by storms and winds.
"It is dishonest and unfair for you to paint with a broad brush all Protestant groups as being on the level of some fringe Pentecostals. "
It is very honest and lucid what I said about Samuel Camara taking him as the typical Protestant, the typical modern man. He is a typical heretic, a modern or we would say today a typical contemporary man and that is why he is the owner of a profitable private capitalist business that is the result of his heresy, the choice that he subjectively, without any appreciation for reality and truth, made of some articles of the Christian faith that are more comfortable for him. Samuel Câmara just like the devil saw his private capitalist business grow in his commerce and today more than a heretic, in addition to being accused of crimes, he has already cursed the Christ as crazy in his speech from the pulpit while commenting on the gospel according to St. Matthew 8, 7 giving an interpretation within modern Protestant hallucinated subjectivism to this biblical passage while, we, Roman Catholics, use the humble response of the centurion of Carfanaum during Holy Mass before receiving the Eucharist. But, above all, it is very honest and lucid to take Câmara as an example of the typical Protestant, because he is not just any marginal pastor, because he is the president of the first Assembly of God that appeared in the world unfortunately in my city of Bethlehem, the capital of the State of Pará.
"You also have to "freely" and "subjectively" decipher the messages delivered by the Roman Catholic hierarchy."
Jesse, this attachment that you modern or contemporary men: Protestants, liberals and leftists have for subjectivism only proves that you are psychotic madmen, that modernity or contemporaneity is entirely a hoax and that you need to get back to appreciating the reality, the truth , you need to take a good antipsychotic.
Modern and contemporary man is psychotic, so to have a psychopath like Samuel Câmara or a Jim Jones among you is a step.
João Emiliano Martins Neto,
DeleteI am getting tired of your constant and rude name-calling and your depiction of Protestants as people like this Camara fellow. You label all Protestants with blanket terms, though you would not like it if we did the same thing with Catholics.
Jesse has tried to reason with you (with good arguments, I might add), but you continue to call him/us names while kissing up to "Mother Church." I would have to say that you are not even a good example of a Catholic. I know many Catholics who would never stoop to the level you have. If you can't make civil and meaningful arguments on this blog, I will delete what you send. Try posting BIBLICAL arguments in a Christian manner. Otherwise, don't bother to post.
Russell, the holy apostles and martyrs and the other disciples and martyrs conquered for Christianity the whole world known in their time without making use of so many biblical verses. And what I have written about you Protestants is like that, and if there are generalizations, patience, the expression of knowledge is always general, abstract, because it is according to the universal.
DeleteJoao,
DeleteI have no idea what you just said. Can you elaborate? I asked you for a biblical argument.
Russell, what I meant is that the holy apostles made little use of biblical arguments, yet they dominated the entire known world in their day. Just as we Catholics dominate the rest of the unknown world without so many biblical arguments, without having the Holy Bible as a strict rule of faith and ethics, we navigate and dominate the giant rivers of the Amazon rainforest where I live in Brazil. As you Protestants even with the modern facility of having the Holy Bible in your hands, what does it prove? Nothing. You Protestants are divided into multiple sects diverging against each other, so biblical arguments prove nothing. What proves something is not biblical positivism, what proves is the attachment to reality and the reality is that before there was a New Testament, for example, God became man in Jesus Christ, dwelt among us, and wrote nothing.
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DeleteThe New Testament is literally peppered with appeals to Scripture, from the temptation of Jesus Christ in the desert to Paul's trips to Thessalonica and Berea. The epistles of Paul contain several direct citations and allusions to the Old Testament. You can't provide an argument for your position because you do not have any; only null and void assertions.
DeleteDearest friends Jesse and Russell, there must be some difference between you Protestants and Jesus Christ quoting the Scriptures before Satan in the desert, St. Paul in Thessalonica and in Berea to the Berean nobles who took the test to know if what St. Paul said was right for them with what the Scriptures said, the Holy Bible of that time. There is some difference, because what has happened with the modern Scripture consultation since Martin Luther is confusion, division and loss of Faith, as liberal Protestants believe in nothing else.
DeleteI think the difference is that maybe Protestantism is the religion of Satan and you Protestants are the bagpipe of Satan, just like a caricature of Martin Luther in his time. Why? Because your Protestant use of Scripture is distorted just like Satan quoting the Bible to Jesus in the wilderness.
But, dear friends Jesse and Russell, I, thank God, try to be in communion with the Holy Father Francis, therefore, I try to be in communion with the Holy Roman Catholic Church which has undergone a reform in the last 59 years since the Ecumenical Council Vatican II, so I think we Catholics and you Protestants can dialogue, so I apologize now if I exceeded myself at some point in my comments here on this blog, so we can dialogue that is something, dialogue, to a good and reasonable understanding, much defended by the Holy Father Francis. Note that I was once a Protestant and something that marked me in Protestantism, and that is something forgotten in the Protestant milieu is the striking testimony of Martin Luther in relation to the testimony he had of divine mercy. A Luther biographer, Frantz Funck-Brentano, says that Luther no longer knew how to please God, he who was a very servant man suffering penitent in the extreme. So Luther saw something genuinely Christian that came from his reading of St. Paul's letter to the Romans in chapter 1 and verse 17 which says that the righteousness of God manifested in the gospel is not simply divine punishment upon us men, but was the punishment which God applied to his Son Jesus Christ so that we united to Christ by faith in him and from faith to faith, by faith from beginning to end, the righteous legacy of Christ for us might be applied to us for our righteousness and life through faith, as it is written, justus autem ex fide vivit, the just shall live by faith.
Also St. Paul tells the Romans in chapter 4 and verse 5, which says, ei vero qui NON OPERATUR credenti autem in eum qui justicat impium reputatur FIDES EJUS ad justitia. That is, faith does not presuppose work, since he who did not work, but trusts the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him in the account of righteousness. We Catholics, especially those who today call themselves traditionalists, certainly have a heavy hand in good works.
So, dear friends, Protestantism, in spite of its gross and terrible errors, has something very luminous to teach mankind as to the objectivity of the saving work of Jesus Christ. In other words, Christianity as a justification for the opposite is just another moralistic and legalistic religious, moral or philosophical vulgar idea of the world.
João Emiliano Martins Neto,
ReplyDelete"In fact, what the Holy Father defended is something that since the time of the Holy Father Saint John Paul II, since 1986, has been defended as a civil coexistence law to protect homosexuals, an anti-homophobia law in civil society and not a law of civil union between people of the same sex that is the gay marriage condemned by the Holy Father Francisco himself in his encyclical Amoris Laetitia."
The Book of Genesis defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. Jesus Christ Himself stood strong on this teaching (Matthew 19:4-5). If Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions, then he is denying a fundamental aspect of the Judeo-Christian worldview.
"Go complain to Jesus Christ, which Protestant heretic people like you call a false prophet and a liar, because people like you believe that the gates of hell have prevailed against his Church, which is the Roman Catholic Church..."
Why would I be the one who has to complain to Jesus Christ when it is you who displays the exact attitude that He condemned in the Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector?
If your own "house" is built on the rock, then you will have to take into account Luke 18:9-14 because that is one of His teachings.
"Jesse, this attachment that you modern or contemporary men: Protestants, liberals and leftists have for subjectivism only proves that you are psychotic madmen, that modernity or contemporaneity is entirely a hoax and that you need to get back to appreciating the reality, the truth , you need to take a good antipsychotic."
A psychotic person is one that is disconnected from reality. Judging by all the thoughtless assumptions and assertions that you spout off, I think that term applies more accurately to yourself than anybody else around here. I'll provide a few other terms that describe you perfectly: stupid, delusional, and possibly even demon-possessed.
Your position collapses on itself because the responsibility of interpretation is always going to land ultimately on the individual. In other words, a man cannot come to conclusions about anything without subjectively using his powers of reason to weigh evidence in ruling out various possibilities.
There are no "unifying authorities" in fields of academia. Medicine and geology are perfect examples in which experts disagree with each other. Yet, no sensible person would deny the validity of these kinds of research. Your reasoning that there must be a final arbitrator to infallibly settle disputes is not true to the real world.
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Delete"There are no "unifying authorities" in fields of academia. Medicine and geology are perfect examples in which experts disagree with each other. Yet, no sensible person would deny the validity of these kinds of research. Your reasoning that there must be a final arbitrator to infallibly settle disputes is not true to the real world.
ReplyDeleteJesse, there is no definitive and infallible authority in modern academia, because since the incarnation of the Word in Jesus Christ who founded the Holy Catholic Church until at least the Middle Ages, the Church has always issued scientific, philosophical and not only doctrinal teachings and condemnations restricted to Divine and Catholic Holy Faith. Since modernity with the Protestant Reformation, mental illness began to dominate, very similar to my mental illness of wanting with the mind to dominate everything, but to understand nothing, the private and subjectivist judgment began to dominate, which is just a stomach devouring the itself with its acids.
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ReplyDeleteI'll post an excerpt from his deleted comment so that people can see for themselves the kind of insanity he spouts off:
ReplyDelete"I suggest that you take my antipsychotic, risperidone, in order to treat your mind maddened by an excess of disconnected Bible verses. I also hope that you have a homosexual child or close relative, in order for you to be more civilized and merciful to gays..."
Scripture says that homosexuality is a sin against God. That is the general teaching of Scripture and not limited to "disconnected Bible verses." I can see that you have little to no reverence for the Word of God.
Pope Francis has capitulated on a host of moral issues and it does not really matter what you have to say about it. There are even conservative Catholics who have problems with his ideology.
The LGBT agenda should not be forced down the throats of dissenters. The people behind this are even targeting innocent children. Why would children have a sexuality?
It is unconscionable that you would hope that somebody had a gay child. Would you also desire that a child had confusion about something as fundamental as his or her own gender? Would you molest one? You are a real piece of work.
"Jesse, there is no definitive and infallible authority in modern academia, because since the incarnation of the Word in Jesus Christ who founded the Holy Catholic Church until at least the Middle Ages..."
The point is that people do not naturally seek after an infallible authority to deem their conclusions valid in the midst of disagreement. The Roman Catholic Church got it wrong when it challenged Galileo.
You are a disgusting person and have little ability to comprehend what is being said to you. You are mentally unhinged. It is doubtful whether you are Christian.
Jesse, dearest friend, by the way you and Russell are the same person, because you, Jesse, are releasing comments on Russell's blog, but that's okay. I think a good antipsychotic risperidone, holy medicine that I take every day can help you and help Protestants in general to see what is most real, because this is not the first time I have written here in this comment area clarifying the question, one of the comments was censored by you, that the Holy Catholic Church is always against homosexual practice. The question of the Holy Father Francis, taking up a pastoral work of the Holy Father Saint John Paul II in 1986, only defends a law of civil coexistence, that is, it is something like an anti-homophobia law or something that exists in Mexico that is a law so that the assets of people of the same sex can be bequeathed, regardless of having had a sex life together, to each other. On the contrary, same-sex civil union is something the Holy Church is against, thus echoing the biblical teaching that homosexuality is a sin, and Francis confirms such biblical teaching in his 2016 post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation "Amoris Laetitia."
DeleteBut Jesse, the lack of mercy of you Protestant heretics is great, so it would be pedagogical and therapeutic, it would be for your good: luminous spiritual maturation, for you Protestants to have homosexual children or close relatives, in order to learn to be more Christians , more human, understanding and merciful. A good stay in a psychiatric hospital like I was hospitalized in the middle of the urbanized Amazon jungle in my city of Belém do Pará (Brazil), at Hospital de Clínicas Gaspar Vianna can help enlighten your minds.
The point is that people do not naturally seek after an infallible authority to deem their conclusions valid in the midst of disagreement. The Roman Catholic Church got it wrong when it challenged Galileo.
DeleteJesse, the question of Galileo Galilei today is a dogma of Science that silenced a Tunisian scientist who agreed with God that the Earth is flat, the Holy Bible says the Earth is flat, it's the center of the universe and young, it's the same age that the Holy Bible that you claim to defend. Cardinal St. Robert Bellarmine defeated Galileo, because as far as I know about the case, Galileo defended that the Sun was the center of the universe, something to take away the glory of God. You're quoting the authority of Science disconnected from religion just to attack the Holy Catholic Church that you hate, that's a shot in your foot, it's closing the trunk where you're sitting, it's a way to isolate religion for the private forum, making -only a fanaticism and eccentricity of fanatical and problematic people, therefore, religion will never again be a matter of State, politics and decisive for the world as the Catholic Church always wanted to be relevant when making condemnations in the realm of Science as in Galileo or in Philosophy.
The LGBT agenda should not be forced down the throats of dissenters. The people behind this are even targeting innocent children. Why would children have a sexuality?
DeleteThe innocence of children ends one day, they grow up and become adults many times, at least in Brazil, into gay murderers and often being gay, because there is prejudice and ignorance internalized by an incomprehensible, rigid and prejudiced, stupid bad education .
The point is that the Holy Father, Pope Francis, once again repeating to the donkeys, what he defends is a law of civil coexistence and such a law, with that name, exists in Mexico, where people, regardless of whether they are living a sex life, regardless of being of the same sex can leave their assets as a legacy and can share assets with the people with whom they lived together. A civil coexistence law can also be interpreted as an anti-homophobia law wanted by the Holy Father Saint John Paul II, since the year 1986. The influence of the Holy Roman Catholic Church is greater than an atomized dust of protestant sects of fanatics Fundamentalists, we see, then, who wins this battle for a society, a world, more human, fraternal, solidary, more Christians that includes gays.
One thing is certain, the Holy Church condemns homosexuality, together with the Holy Bible as a serious depravity that cannot be accepted in any way, in any case, and in the post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia, I repeat once again to the fanatics and dumb, Francisco condemned a civil union between people of the same sex.
The point is that people do not naturally seek after an infallible authority to deem their conclusions valid in the midst of disagreement. The Roman Catholic Church got it wrong when it challenged Galileo.
Galileo Galilei was condemned by the Holy Roman Church and his case was analyzed by Cardinal Saint Robert Bellarmine, because from what little I know of such a case, Galilei said that the Sun was the center of the universe, something like sharing the glory of God.
It is amazing that you Protestants are on the side of a science that wants, together with you, to take away the authority of religion, and thus isolate religion for the private sphere. In fact, it was your fault, Protestant fanatics, that the secular state emerged, this rotten corpse that approves of absurdities such as abortion, gay marriage, decriminalization of drugs, euthanasia, socialism, fascism. Because, after all, if the Catholic Church is worthless, according to you Protestants, the gates of hell prevailed against the Church of Christ, for Christ is a liar and a false prophet, with all that religion can no longer be an authority in matters scientific research is worth an omnipotent State dictating absolute norms with its juspositivism and thus shapes a world, reality, manipulates the truth in its image and likeness.
I strongly suggest that you Protestants realize such truths that you stay for a while in the psychiatric hospital in which I was hospitalized, for example, there at the Gaspar Vianna Hospital in my city of Belém do Pará (Brazil), in the portal of the Brazilian Amazon forest urbanized, you will come out of there as I did, as a new person with an enlightened mind.
Dear Protestant friends, you should abandon Protestantism. If you don't see the Protestant error, but your children or grandchildren will see it just like a Samuel Câmara accused of being a vulgar bandit saw that he could take advantage of people's good faith to gain money and power with a mistake, he who has been descended from a family of pastors and Protestants for many generations. Just like Friedrich Nietzsche who realized that good and evil, according to what the Holy Bible says, that is, to be like Martin Luther with his conscience captivated to the Word of God transmitted in written form in the Scriptures is a mistake. It remained for Nietzsche to call something like reality love, because he said that everything that is done for love is done beyond good and evil. Why? Because if the Bible is not something that is part of the real, if it is not part fed by the being, which in the end is God, as a being, then it is something foreign to the real, to being, that's why the Nietzsche defends the crazy will to power and thinks that Christianity is just a form of torture without any legitimacy in the reality of things.
ReplyDeleteIf what the Holy Bible says, religion, is something alien to being, it follows that a Galileo Galileo or another godless philosopher like Nietzsche or another uncircumcised scientist, and also the secular state, can jettison religion as just a eccentricity of fanatics, hence, on the contrary, supreme authority that the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church has in scientific and philosophical matters, profane, too, for St. Paul wrote in his first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 2 and verse 15, Corinthians than man spiritual (the Pope) judges ALL things and he himself is not judged by ANYONE.
It is true that an effect cannot be greater than its cause, but Scripture is authoritative due to having been breathed-out by God and not because some religious organization declared a list of books to be canonical. Note that the Jews correctly assembled the Old Testament canon without the assistance of an infallible Magisterium. The Apostle Paul in Galatians 1:6-12 subjugated angels and apostles themselves to a standard of divine revelation as he said “even if we” in condemning false gospels. We clearly must resort to the use of our own reasoning faculties in order to evaluate the teachings of ministers.
DeleteThe nature of truth is such that it shines even through the writings of men who promote error. The Apostle Paul quoted from pagan poets to illustrate his points. The fact that he was guided by the Holy Spirit has no bearing on the argument.
DeleteSpeaking of Samuel Camara and his Protestant family, Friedrich Nietzsche came from a Lutheran family of maternal and paternal parts, one of his grandfathers was a Protestant pastor and Nietzsche's father, Carl Ludwig Nietzsche, was a pastor. Nietzsche ended up crazy, so it's good that you prevent yourself from ending up with a disastrous fate and try to meet a psychiatrist, because I also ended up crazy in a sanatorium, because I had a mother as hysterical as you Protestants and your pastors who they usually scream from the pulpit and for you Protestants, it's all a matter of faith too, sola fide, without reason, it's just hysteria, it can end up affecting your minds or your children or grandchildren.
ReplyDeleteBlah, blah, blah. You in your own state of hysteria spout off random assertions and misrepresentations without end. Quit your whining already.
Delete"I think a good antipsychotic risperidone, holy medicine that I take every day can help you and help Protestants in general to see what is most real, because this is not the first time I have written here in this comment area clarifying the question..."
ReplyDeleteTelling people that they are mental and in need of medication simply because of disagreement is despicable. Such rhetoric comes from none other than a narcissist and authoritarian.
"The question of the Holy Father Francis, taking up a pastoral work of the Holy Father Saint John Paul II in 1986, only defends a law of civil coexistence, that is, it is something like an anti-homophobia law or something that exists in Mexico that is a law so that the assets of people of the same sex can be bequeathed, regardless of having had a sex life together, to each other."
Pope Francis has bent a knee to the golden calf of homosexual marriage. A threat of schism from within the Roman Catholic Church formed as a result of his behavior. He has removed conservative figures from higher positions in the hierarchy. State recognition of same-sex unions is destructive to a country. It delivers a blow to the traditional family, which is of foundational importance to the health of a society.
"But Jesse, the lack of mercy of you Protestant heretics is great, so it would be pedagogical and therapeutic, it would be for your good: luminous spiritual maturation, for you Protestants to have homosexual children or close relatives, in order to learn to be more Christians, more human..."
Me refusing to compromise on an issue of great importance is far removed from being unmerciful. It is not as if I am calling for homosexuals to be stoned. In fact, informing people of the need of repentance before God is one of the greatest acts of love possible.
That you would wish that loved ones be tormented with problems and you somehow think such would bring about spiritual maturity is beyond me. You have the mentality of a serial killer.
"Telling people that they are mental and in need of medication simply because of disagreement is despicable. Such rhetoric comes from none other than a narcissist and authoritarian."
DeleteDear friend Jesse, don't worry, thank God, I'm neither authoritarian nor narcissistic, because when I refer people even to a psychiatrist or to take psychotropic medication it's just a sense of humor and yet I confess that I I even consult a psychiatrist and take this type of medication. Usually, those who indicate mental health treatment for others forget to confess or to assess that they themselves maybe needing at least a psychologist or a psychiatrist or, more fundamentally, a priest, the police or the courts to admonish them.
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Pope Francis has bent a knee to the golden calf of homosexual marriage. A threat of schism from within the Roman Catholic Church formed as a result of his behavior. He has removed conservative figures from higher positions in the hierarchy. State recognition of same-sex unions is destructive to a country. It delivers a blow to the traditional family, which is of foundational importance to the health of a society.
"But Jesse, the lack of mercy of you Protestant heretics is great, so it would be pedagogical and therapeutic, it would be for your good: luminous spiritual maturation, for you Protestants to have homosexual children or close relatives, in order to learn to be more Christians, more human..."
Pope Francis is against civil unions between people of the same sex and as I have already written here, this is evidenced in his post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitita. Once on a flight back to Rome, the Holy Father said that he is no one to judge a homosexual who has good will and seeks the Lord, I myself am a homosexual, but I seek to live in chastity, thank God, and he added, the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains the homosexual issue very well, condemning homosexual practice, but having compassion for the homosexual person against unfair discrimination. The rest is fake news from some fanatical fundamentalist social network, newspaper or media that needs to take some benzodiazepine medicine to calm down and that you follow, Jesse.
If Pope Francis dismissed more conservative people from the hierarchy, it is because the Holy Catholic Church has sought in the last 59 years since the Second Vatican Council to dialogue with the modern world, to understand it and thus help it like the Good Samaritan, for that it needs expel more conservative and fanatical people like you, Jesse, people who at the Gaspar Vianna psychiatric hospital are evaluated in their relationship with religion, because people like you are like the priest and the Levite in the parable of the good Samaritan who do not recognize who the their neighbor and thus leave the wounded brother on the way down from Jerusalem to Jericho and thus was wounded by criminals.
"Authoritarian and narcissistic" are preciously what you are. You would love to instill a Roman Catholic king who persecutes those with different points of view. You've come after me repeatedly with vicious insults. You would thrill to torture someone if you could. You hate all the achievements of the modern world and would love to see them unraveled.
DeleteThe door of forgiveness by God is open to homosexuals. The Apostle Paul, speaking of people who once lived that kind of lifestyle, said, "such were some of you..." (1 Corinthians 6:11). We should not be encouraging those people to stay in sin, as the previous verse says such practices will exclude one from the Kingdom of God.
It is funny that you go out of your way to paint me as a radical extremist when it is you pushing sentiments which would fit in that category. Do you even understand the gospel? People like you, not myself, are what is wrong with Western culture.
"If Pope Francis dismissed more conservative people from the hierarchy, it is because the Holy Catholic Church has sought in the last 59 years since the Second Vatican Council to dialogue with the modern world..."
DeleteThe point is really simple: Francis is the most progressive pope you guys ever hand and he seeks to make systematic changes to the Roman Catholic hierarchy. He is soft on moral issues in which he should not be. It would be akin to me saying that Obama was the most progressive president is American history and wrought about changes to the composition of the nation.
"The rest is fake news from some fanatical fundamentalist social network, newspaper or media that needs to take some benzodiazepine medicine to calm down and that you follow, Jesse."
First of all, Roman Catholics are not fundamentalists. Secondly, being socially conservative does not make one a radical. It is blatantly obvious that your current pope is compromised and so are you.
Opposition to the LGBT agenda in our society has never been about discriminating against people of such an identity or treating them badly. Gays have long since won acceptance by virtue of being human beings. Now they demand that we celebrate that lifestyle and shape our views to conform to their own!
"because people like you are like the priest and the Levite in the parable of the good Samaritan who do not recognize who the their neighbor and thus leave the wounded brother on the way down from Jerusalem to Jericho and thus was wounded by criminals."
If that were the case, then I would not be telling you to repent of your sins and to get right with God today. You are not taking a stand for traditional marriage by recognizing same-sex civil unions. God does not recognize them. There is NO such things as a homosexual Christian.
"A good stay in a psychiatric hospital like I was hospitalized in the middle of the urbanized Amazon jungle in my city of Belém do Pará (Brazil), at Hospital de Clínicas Gaspar Vianna can help enlighten your minds."
ReplyDeleteYou should have been admitted into a psychiatric hospital and stayed there. You should have been locked away from the public permanently, never again to see the light of day. You as a patient are heathen as heathen can be; incurably mad.
"Jesse, the question of Galileo Galilei today is a dogma of Science that silenced a Tunisian scientist who agreed with God that the Earth is flat, the Holy Bible says the Earth is flat, it's the center of the universe and young, it's the same age that the Holy Bible that you claim to defend."
Note that these are all exegetical questions and are nothing but a red herring in this context.
"Cardinal St. Robert Bellarmine defeated Galileo, because as far as I know about the case, Galileo defended that the Sun was the center of the universe, something to take away the glory of God."
If people are not allowed to ask questions, then what has been posited is not scientific data but propaganda. Religious and secular authorities should be held accountable if they knowingly and willingly work to suppress truth. Rome was wrong in this case. That is all there is to it.
"The innocence of children ends one day, they grow up and become adults many times, at least in Brazil..."
What do you suggest doing, that we go out of our way to defile youth and expose them to unlawful behavior? Is that your concept of raising a child?
It is peculiar how you shrug your shoulders, seemingly downplaying the situation. We have a moral crises on our hands.
"It is amazing that you Protestants are on the side of a science that wants, together with you, to take away the authority of religion, and thus isolate religion for the private sphere."
Secularism and privatization of religion is a product of intellectual autonomy form the enlightenment. Protestant have always held that the intellect must bow before God’s revelation.
"You should have been admitted into a psychiatric hospital and stayed there. You should have been locked away from the public permanently, never again to see the light of day. You as a patient are heathen as heathen can be; incurably mad."
DeleteJesse, I left psychiatric hospitals, both times I was hospitalized, and the second time I was even praised by my psychiatrist for giving the good news to fanatical people like you who follow a fanatic like Martin Luther who saw in the mere inclination to sin as if it were a consummated sin, Luther who suffered from my mental illness, bipolar disorder, according to the Brazilian Lutheran theologian Martin Dreher. I left such hospitals a new person to give you the good news that good mental health treatment can help you.
"If people are not allowed to ask questions, then what has been posited is not scientific data but propaganda. Religious and secular authorities should be held accountable if they knowingly and willingly work to suppress truth. Rome was wrong in this case. That is all there is to it."
"If people are not allowed to ask questions, then what has been posited is not scientific data but propaganda. Religious and secular authorities should be held accountable if they knowingly and willingly work to suppress truth. Rome was wrong in this case. That is all there is to it."
Modern science that began with Galileo Galilei is the one that advertises, advertises its internal academic consensus, because how can there be critical thinking if it must submit to a consensus, because it is the individual conscience of the agent, of the man who knows , because there is no act more devoid of witness than the act of knowing, says the great Brazilian philosopher Olavo de Carvalho.
"What do you suggest doing, that we go out of our way to defile youth and expose them to unlawful behavior? Is that your concept of raising a child?
It is peculiar how you shrug your shoulders, seemingly downplaying the situation. We have a moral crises on our hands."
It is necessary to educate children to live in society and homosexuals have already proven that despite their mistake they have already contributed a lot to a better world.
"Secularism and privatization of religion is a product of intellectual autonomy form the enlightenment. Protestant have always held that the intellect must bow before God’s revelation."
The Enlightenment of the 18th century would have no strength and would not even exist if the Western religion of Christianity had not lost strength before being relativized in a multitude of disconnected sects, through the Protestant Reformation, two centuries earlier.
"Jesse, I left psychiatric hospitals, both times I was hospitalized, and the second time I was even praised by my psychiatrist for giving the good news to fanatical people like you who follow a fanatic like Martin Luther who saw in the mere inclination to sin as if it were a consummated sin, Luther who suffered from my mental illness, bipolar disorder, according to the Brazilian Lutheran theologian Martin Dreher. I left such hospitals a new person to give you the good news that good mental health treatment can help you."
DeleteIt is exactly as I said before: you should have stayed put where you belong. You are in no position to describe the conditions of other people, let alone be offering them advice. Can the blind lead the blind? No one here is a "follower" of Martin Luther.
"Modern science that began with Galileo Galilei is the one that advertises, advertises its internal academic consensus, because how can there be critical thinking if it must submit to a consensus, because it is the individual conscience of the agent, of the man who knows , because there is no act more devoid of witness than the act of knowing, says the great Brazilian philosopher Olavo de Carvalho."
Yeah, but Rome was wrong. The very nature of truth is such that it transcends mere adherence to consensus.
"It is necessary to educate children to live in society and homosexuals have already proven that despite their mistake they have already contributed a lot to a better world."
The problem isn't the mere existence of homosexual people as there are predators who seek who confuse children and destroy their identities. Little ones do not even have the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves. There is NOTHING normal or educational about touching the genitals of a child or showing them pornographic content. That is NOT instruction on biological function.
"The Enlightenment of the 18th century would have no strength and would not even exist if the Western religion of Christianity had not lost strength before being relativized in a multitude of disconnected sects, through the Protestant Reformation, two centuries earlier."
Your comments on this matter could not be further from the truth. It is your own reasoning that leads one to intellectual agnosticism. How can I know anything at all if I must have infallible certainty? You are stuck with fallibly interpreting the dogmas and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church all by yourself. You are no better off than Protestants.
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